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CNN
Dec 5, 2012 6:00am PST
republicans who are angry at his new pitch to raise $800 billion in tax revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins me now. dana, can we expect fire woworkt the meeting this morning? >> reporter: possibly, carol. one thing that has been interesting with regard to john boehner's leadership of the republican conference, which certainly is very conservative and he has had to balanc
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 8:00am PST
the republican party. first the war of words over the fiscal cliff with hard core conservatives pushing boehner to hold firm on tax cuts and yesterday a livid or vivid illustration of the split was on display when bob dole wheeled himself on to the floor he once led that would ban discrimination against people with disabilities but the world war ii vet saw his efforts go down in bitter defeat due to several members of his own party voting know. joining me is congressman j.c. watts of illinois. what happened to the unity once displayed in the party not just the tax issue but not being able to pass something that was a republican idea like the u.n. disabilities treaty championed by folks like former senate majority leader dole, former president george h.w. bush what happened? >> thomas, i've been traveling the last couple of days and i've not seen all the details of what happened there, but obviously the republican party we're at a time of trying to reorganize we've had our heads handed to us a couple of times and national elections 2008 and 2012 and you know, there's some wounds, some sensitivities
CNN
Dec 4, 2012 8:00pm PST
avoid the fiscal cliff, which is the christmas present the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> of out of balance. kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. so now what? will they sit down and talk it through? well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no e-mails, tweets, carrier pigeons. as for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the white house holiday party last night in black tie. while other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president, multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasn't among them. so much for holiday cheer. we have this picture. we're waiting for the day there's a fiscal cliff. there wasn't total silence in washington today. senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. but in his case, in the form of a swipe. >> i sympathize with john boehner. the key party has a firm grip on the republican party
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 11:00am PST
perhaps to discuss the fiscal cliff but to show civility and speaker boehner as we understand it didn't go over to talk with the president as he is in the president's house technically. so, i mean, what do we make here? what's the logical next step, erin? >> there is frustration on capitol hill of a breakdown in communications between the white house and republicans on capitol hill. i talked to several republicans around here yesterday who are upset that president obama and some of his staff haven't been to the hill to meet with them so i don't actually know the next step and a breakdown in communication. >> keith, do you buy that, that there's a breakdown in communication? you have a proposal here. you have the counter proposal if you will. we have gone through this before, especially in the arena of the bush tax cuts. is that just the shiny object for us to talk about, whether the president is a hands on communicator and who's invited to what table? is that a distraction of the reality of tough decisions to be made by both sides and you can pretend it's about a dinner invitation, a drink
Current
Dec 4, 2012 11:00pm PST
. this is an emporer with no clothes. when we were pushed to fiscal cliff it was because john boehner promised something to the president and could not get members of his caucus do the right thing for the american people. >> i don't think we should be putting more gas on the karl what you're saying when your enemy is committing suicide, don't step in and interrupt? >> jennifer: break out the popcorn and sit back and watch the fight. a right on right fight. >> they're the ones who are responsible. don't blame us. >> what you risk about allowing them to fight with each other is going over the fiscal cliff and plunging us into another recession. when i say put gas on the fire, we cannot sit here and wait for them to self-destruct. it does not get the job done in washington. what gets the job in washington is standing up loud and proud and look at what they're doing to us. if we don't do that, we will squander another opportunity to show the american people that democrats are doing what is right for the working class in this country, and republicans are standing in the way to protect the tax cuts-
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 2:30am PST
revenue he proposed in a fiscal cliff deal which the white house quickly rejected because it does not raise taxes on the wealthy but aims to get the money through cuts in deductions. senator jim demint denounced boehner's plan as a tax hike that will, quote, destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also distanced himself from the boehner plan declining to endorse it yesterday. >> we've wasted enormous amount of time here sparring back and forth in public, and it strikes me it's a good time to get serious about the proposals. so i have no other particular observation than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> but why is the the gop still hot on its desire to raise money through cuts and deductions rather than an actual increase in the top end tax rate? well, i think it's likely because the most ductions in states happen to be the higher blue states. in other words, the gop wants the states that largely reelected the the president to bear the brunt of the financial burden for his plan. and while no deal has been reached ye
FOX Business
Dec 5, 2012 1:00pm EST
: new your againsy on the fiscal cliff. speaker boehner is demanding a face-to-face meeting with president obama and the pentagon is preparing for the worst. >> it could take a week to clear out the backlog of ships. we're live at the port of los angeles straight ahead. tracy: time for stocks as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. it has been a wild ride. a lot of it has to do with apple, right? >> the big picture, markets are higher. apple has come under pressure. let's look at the major market averages. the dow is up triple digits, completely erasing losses over last couple days. posting a gain for the week. tech-heavy nasdaq pom cost it is moving to the because weighed down by apple. research and findings have found that apple faces intense competition in the tablet market for ipad and ipad mini and probably will lose market share to android and even microsoft systems. you're seeing apple down 28, almost 29 bucks. a terrible day if you're a shareholder hoping to get to the upside. a lot of folks hope it will get back to 700. n
CNBC
Dec 5, 2012 4:00am EST
republicans over the fiscal cliff are grinding to a hold. house speaker john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his budget plan. we've got a shanghai surprise. china's mainland markets up over nearly 3% after beijing's new leaders called for economic stability and new business growth. and it looks like more austerity for britain. george osborne getting ready to release his autumn statement. >>> nokia shares a little bit high today. they are teaming up with china mobile, giving access to the world's biggest mobile phone markets. >>> if you just got up, very warm welcome to the start of your global trading day. stocks are on the front foot this morning. this is where we stand with u.s. futures. currently called up around about 30 points higher. the dow down, what, 13 points? the nasdaq called up just under 40 points. the s&p 500 at the moment is called up just over three points. it was down two points yesterday. european stocks doing a little built better. they were as flat as a pancake, as i've been saying. as flat as my pancakes. we have just come down from higher
ABC
Dec 5, 2012 4:00am PST
avoid the fiscal cliff. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> reporter: the speaker's plan would raise $800 billion in tax revenue. but does so without raising tax rates for top income earners. the president says that's unacceptable. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: republicans, like rising star senator marco rubio, say raising taxes on the wealthy is the wrong approach. >> the tax increases he wants would fail to make even a small dent in the debt. it would hurt middle-class businesses and the people who work for them. >> reporter: so, that's the major holdup, taxes. republicans and democrats deeply divided. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on public. >> reporter: amidst the political posturing, there may actually be a chance for compromise on medicare. president obama says he's open to raising the age when seniors can start receiving benefits, from 65 to 67. according to one study, that would save almost $6 billion a year
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 1:00pm PST
days to the fiscal cliff. the president is john boehner are facing off for what could├že a down to the wire nail-biter of a fiscal fight. indeed, the stakes are so high, the pressure so intense, that the house is calling it quits for the week. giving themselves another much deserved break. of course, not before demanding action from the president. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on, so we asked the president, sit down with us. >> i'll be here, i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> of course the speaker had to clarify that since the house is not back in session till tuesday. leaving just three days on the legislative calendar to get a deal. don't work too hard, guys. the president began his day meeting with business leaders a suring them he passionately roots for their success. even as he broke the news face to face that their taxes are going up. >>. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in in way that will affect your s
FOX
Dec 5, 2012 6:00am PST
fiscal cliff. ktvu house smoker john boehner could be facing an uphill battle within his own -- >> reporter: speaker boehner -- certainly talk here that some republicans could revolt if speaker boehner caves to pressure from the white house to raise tax rates on the wealthiest 2% of americans. and while he's certainly had not agreed to that some are promising to block it. tea party favorite jim says giving into democrats to avoid the fiscal cliff is a temporary solution he's not willing to support. >> republicans should not be conceding the federal government needs more money. >> reporter: we will be hearing from democrats shortly. minority leader nancy pelosi is holding a news conference. we'll have that for you during our next update. reporting live from washington, d.c. alison burns ktvu channel 2 news. >>> a los angeles area fire house is under fire for letting an exdeny letting an exercise company shoot a racy video inside its station. the video by hoopnautic.com shows a scantily dressed woman dancing around. the station was also in trouble last year for allowing some fi
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2012 7:00pm PST
. quote, it is magic beans and fairy dust. >> i'm worried about the fiscal cliff in the same way i'm worried about martians. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal whatever it is. >> is this a rerun? >> still no progress as all sides jockey for position. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> speaker john boehner issued a downer offer yesterday. >> the white house quickly dismissed it. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> it is more of the same. >> it is not me being positive. it is the math. >> magic math. >> magic beans and fairy dust. >> president obama did win the election. >> me thinks somebody made him king. >> no. i don't think that's right. >> he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> are we that far apart? >> both sides want a deal. >> a matter of math. >> try to stay away from hypotheticals. >> it won't pass. >> discussions about unicorns. >> unicorns. >> they're imaginary beasts. >> magic beans. >> magic math. >> an enchanted universe. >> outrageous. >> the whole thing is going wacky. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> i don't envy the position the speaker is in. >> we're nowhere. ? you just might feel under attack. >> john boehner's power move. >> roll over and do what i ask. >> having the reins on the tea party. >> does he have real allies
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 9:00am PST
the debt ceiling fell apart. to understand what's going on during the hopeless fiscal cliff negotiations rewind to 2011 when boehner and president obama came within inches of a grand bargain, a deal that would have forced both democrats and republicans to eat their vegetables. in its comprehensive analysis of what happens during the secret negotiations, matt bai wrote -- the deal unraveled in large part because speaker boehner could not get his unruly caucus to go along with raising new revenue. fast forward to this year and republicans now think that deal, the one they walked away from, sounds pretty good. they're using it as a basis for their current proposal. only problem. boehner had his chance. president obama now thinks he has the upper hand. according to the "washington post's" ezra klein, quote -- >> joining us now representative chris van hollen of maryland, ranking member of the house budget committee. great to have you on the program. >> great to be with you, alex. >> let's talk a little bit about 2011 versus 2012, which is to say, the republican party is a very different negotiating position than they were
FOX Business
Dec 5, 2012 11:00am EST
after speaker boehner spoke this morning about the fiscal cliff ago she haitians. in case you missed it, a quick piece of that. >> if you look at the plant that the white house has talked about thus far, they could not pass either house. dagen: rich benson is here. he is joining us with the latest from d.c. >> i think you can tell where the president was heading with this. we know the president lied on this is the campaign to raise taxes on wealthier americans. he says it is all part of the budget that he has put out over the last few years. that budget calling for tax increases over the next decade on families earning more than $250,000 a year. he campaigned on march revenue less than that. tax deductions they can't, they just say they would not raise tax rates. that really has been the key to all of this. connell: we are kind of caught in the middle. you saw the president speaking on the screen while rich was speaking. the audio still is not quite right of it. thank you. there we go. citigroup. another big story today. the stock has been up. 11,000 people, though, losing their jobs. t
Current
Dec 5, 2012 2:00am PST
. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cc >> with all the hysteria over the fiscal cliffs, there was euphoria when john boehner puts fort a proposal. his proposal fails every test. let's not forget, the deficit isn't the biggest problem. it's the lack of demand and equity in our distribution of income, two little data points we shouldn't forget. 93% of the in jump added in the 2010 went to the top 1% and wages are the lowest they've ever been. it's simply not fair. for ideas to solve the problems and the deficit at the same time, bob rob an and larry summers suggested some away raise capital gains taxes. lets stop giving capital preferences over earned income. it's only fair and right. it won't solve the problem but will go a long way. back to john boehner. he doesn't say anything about this, because he refuses to raise rates. it can only be because he refuses to see the real problem. joining me now congressman thank you for joining us as always. >> thank you. am i right about the boehner proposal and what the underlying problems are. >> you are. also it's also true with the boehner proposal is it's not specific. h
FOX
Dec 5, 2012 6:00pm EST
the answer is no. >> indeed, it does. >>> another big story, the fiscal cliff debate. and fox 5 learned that president obama and john boehner spoke on the issue today, but the results have not been made public. the white house is asking federal agencies to plan for $100 billion in spending cuts and that is what happened if not resolved. administration believes the deal will be done. john boehner made an offer earlier this week putting $800 billion on new revenue on the table. he got hit hard by the administration and members of his own party. >> we have to cut spending and, i believe, it's super flowous. >> and that is a law, higher rates to go up for the 2072%, including all of you. yes. >> reporter: president obama was speaking to business leaders when he made the comment. he insists he will veto any bill not including tax increases on wealthier americans. >>> the defense department started planning for the roughly $500 billion in personnel cuts. the pin is not talking to the defense contractors of public plans. >>> the council made it clear that it's not following the mayor's lead on several issues. it was evident last night d
CBS
Dec 5, 2012 7:00am PST
fiscal cliff. >> thanks for having me. >> reporter: on his first view sbr interview on the fiscal cliff, he rejected john boehner's proposal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> reporter: raising taxes on households earning more than $250,000. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: republicans want smaller tax increases overall and no movement on higher income tax rates. they want to cut unnamed tax bre breaks and deductions, which they say will do more to boost economic growth. the white house considers the proposal and economic rationale behind it laughable. >> we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> reporter: republicans answered back ba-humbug. >> this is absolutely not serious and the administration knows it. >> reporter: six governors, three from each party, met the president and said acid they believe business leaders in their states won't invest and hire until a deal gets done. >> until this gets resolved in a way that's not
CSPAN
Dec 5, 2012 5:00pm EST
negotiations with congressional republicans on deficit reduction and the so-called fiscal cliff. >> the holdup right now is that speaker boehner took a position -- i think the day after the campaign -- that said we're willing to bring in revenue, but we aren't willing to increase rates. and i just explained to you why we don't think that works. we're not trying to -- we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. now we have seen some movement over the last several days among some republicans. i think there's a recognition that maybe they can accept some rate increases as long as it's combined with serious entitlement reform and additional spending cuts. and if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework, to acknowledge that reality. then the numbers actually aren't that far apart. another way of putting this is, we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. but we need that breakthrough that says we need to do a balanced plan and that's what's best for the american economy and that's wh
NBC
Dec 5, 2012 5:00pm EST
to be noiseproof. they tell me they can hear every car. >> all right. >>> fiscal cliff challenge today. house speaker john boehner said if the president does not like the republican offer, he should present a credible plan of his own that can pass both houses. meanwhile, the white house said tonight president obama has a two-step plan. the first is to extend the middle class tax cuts while allowing cuts for the wealthiest americans to expire. the second is to call for tax reform by august 1st of next year. in the meantime, the nation's debt ceiling is looming in january. the president's warning republicans not to include any debt limit concessions in their fiscal cliff strategy. >>> we have had a lovely week around here. but it's time to get back to a little december reality. >> would you look at that. veronica has a look at another change coming our way. what about it, veronica? >> do you like that sunset? isn't that gorgeous? >> it's lovely. >> fiery red there on the horizon. and not a bad day. the wind picked up a bit. that northwesterly wind behind the cold front that came through very early this morning. high tem
FOX Business
Dec 5, 2012 6:00pm EST
principal. gerri: is the writing on the rall for the fiscal cliff gerri: we are dangling over the fiscal cliff. but washington is at a standstill. although the president is refusing to sit down with republicans, he did talk to speaker john boehner this afternoon, and the white house is talking to federal agencies, warning them to get ready to go over the cliff. with more on this, congressman tom mcclintock of california. a member of the budget committee. if you for joining us today. you know, we heard about this telephone call between speaker boehner and the president. you think anything will come of that? >> the president has been very clear. he is hell-bent to raise taxes massively on those very wealthy folks made making over $250,000. bearer 80% of small businesses, in and exactly the time when we are depending on them to create two thirds of the new jobs in our country desperately needs. gerri: the republicans are in the way of a settlement. i want to hear what he said today. here is the president. >> we can probably solve this in a week. it is not that tough. but we need that conceptual breakthrough that says that we need to do a balanced plan. but that is what is best for the economy. that is what the american people voted for
NBC
Dec 5, 2012 6:30pm EST
to take a dive off the so-called fiscal cliff if republicans don't agree to take hikes on the richest americans. and so we welcome peter alexander, at the ranks of the white house correspondents, with a look at all of it. >> reporter: brian, good evening, on the north lawn, the phone call marks the first time speaker john boehner and the president spoke in a week, that is hardly something to celebrate, but they wouldn't characterize what they caused in the phone call as the country barrels towards the fiscal cliff. with no talks and no progress to avert the looming fiscal cliff, you could say the house has left the building, streaming out of the capitol. tomorrow's session cancelled. with only three work days left this year, they are often criticized. just 16 votes. across the country, rising frustration, americans asking why the holdup. and what will their taxes look like in 2013. >> maybe instead of getting my sister two things, you give one thing, you have to give pause on what could happen next year. >> reporter: today, president obama and house republicans are locked in a
CNN
Dec 5, 2012 2:00am PST
blamed for the fiscal cliff. you're seeing a division between house members and senate members. the reason for this is mainly over the 800 billion in new tax revenue. this was part of john boehner and plan. those tea party-backed conservatives say this is something that would help job growth. clearly what we're seeing here is republicans are not speaking with one voice. >> republicans should not be conceding that the federal government needs more money, negotiating with ourselves and treating the president's proposal like it's serious. >> we do agree that 8% of the american people are getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. my suggestion was let's take the one area we agree and take it off the table. >> but zoraida, as you saw there from the president earlier in that bloomberg interview, he is digging in, saying there can't be a deal unless upper income americans pay more. middle-class americans should get the bush era tax cut extension. is he not backing down from that at all. the president saying in that interview that he's not being stubborn. he's not being partisan but rather that it's, quote, a matter of math. >> we've been talking now for a while
CNN
Dec 5, 2012 4:00pm EST
. thanks. >>> let's go to jessica yellin, she's getting new information about the fiscal cliff stand-off, what are you learning? >> reporter: i'm learning that president obama and house speaker john boehner had a phone conversation late today. we do not have a fiscal deal. there's been no significant movement as a result of this, it's meaningful, the two men have not spoken in a week exactly. their last phone call was last wednesday, as you know, speaker boehner presented a plan on monday and after that was rejected by the president. in an interview, there was no communication between the white house and republicans until this phone call between these two men. wolf, this comes the same day that secretary geithner said publicly for the first time, that the u.s. would be willing to go over the cliff if republicans do not agree to raise tax rates on the top two percent of earners. it's my understanding that republicans have not agreed to raise those rates and the white house is not negotiating essentially, wolf, until they see republicans make that move. >> jeszic ka, the things obviously could be getting more complex as you know, president obama wants to add the debt ceiling to the multiple is
CSPAN
Dec 5, 2012 1:00pm EST
events op the fiscal cliff with president obama and house speaker john boehner. the president said in remarks to the business round table today that he was aware of reports that republicans may be willing to agree to higher tax rates on the wealthy as a way to avert the looming fiscal cliff and then come back next year with more leverage to extract spending cuts from the white house in exchange for raising the government's borrowing limit. we'll also have house speaker john boehner's news conference today where he said it's time for the white house to respond to monday's republican proposal for avoiding the fiscal cliff. see the president and speaker boehner tonight at 9:00 eastern. elsewhere on the hill today the senate appropriations committee on homeland security held a hearing on fema's response to hurricane sandy. senators from new york, rhode island, connecticut and delaware testified before the committee on the challenges their constituents face in the aftermath of the storm and what's needed to move forward. >> good morning, everyone. thank you for joining us for this very imp
NBC
Dec 5, 2012 6:00pm EST
hit the road to make his case on the fiscal cliff in detroit. >> the sheriff's office is trying to figure out what caused a vehicle to veer you have a the road and down an embankment. we were above the scene along winters run road just along singers run road. they had to free the 21-year-old male driver. rescuers used a hook and ladder truck to hoist the man from the rescreen and back on the road. no word on that man's condition. and a 32-year-old woman is out of the hospital and in police custody tonight. >> nicole fitzgerald was accuse of murdering her 2-year-old son and is facing a long list of charges. >> according to a court document the initial call was for a child who wasn't breathing. investigators found nicole fitzgerald on the floor lying next to her son. when police arrived they discovered the body of a 2-year-old boy. he had cuts and stab wounds to the front of his neck. >> when officers arrived at the scene they met with paramedics a the scene who pronounced the 2-year-old baby boy dead at the scenepy they have determined this is a hods. the child's mother was taken in
FOX Business
Dec 5, 2012 9:20am EST
much indeed. >> the so the president has made it very, very clear, drawn a line, no fiscal cliff deal without higher tax rates for the highest earningers, tax rates have got to go up. question, what will speaker boehner have to say about that? his reaction will be new at ten this morning. mark stein is going to be here as well and he'll join us to explore that and more. we have an oil and mining deal to tell, but. freeport mcmoran and copper and gold will have exploration and two separate deals for 9 billion in cash and stock. i'm not quite sure what all of that means. just tell me the stock price, nicole. >> it means big moves for these two stocks here. freeport mcmoran is now down over 15%, but when you look at plains exploration and production, a big mover to the upside and that's up 23. stuart: i'm trying to get this. freeport mcmoran, they're the ones that are doing the buying and plains exploration are the people who are being bought. so the people who are being bought go up because they're paying a high price and the people who are paying the money out are going down. have i got that roughly right? >> that's right. and that's why you see mcmoran exploration as well and i'm trying to work this out a
FOX News
Dec 5, 2012 8:00am PST
relevance. >> yes, for example, the fight over the fiscal cliff is taking place between speaker boehner and the white house. they put republicans in the senate in a rare type of position where they are in the game, but they are not the leaders of the game. see what is going on in the senate in general. we're republicans should have the majority of the senate, if not highly ontological candidates were nominated by the party base. thinking of someone like richard murdoch in indiana. there's no reason the democrats should not hold that seat. they are putting republicans in the senate at a disadvantage. >> the other thing is that ted cruz is a tea party candidate, marco rubio is a tea party canada. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] >> there are mistakes made. there are good choices made. i'm just saying there is a capacity to make that choice and those that are good communicators of a conservative vision. greg: i was looking at some of the most recent polls, and it looks that republicans will get the blame if we go off the fiscal cliff. is that how you see it? >> yes, i don't
CNBC
Dec 5, 2012 3:00pm EST
you want to cover some risk. the market is telling us that the fiscal cliff is not going to happen. the only risk is if it doesn't happen. boehner stepped in front of the microphone the day after the election and this market tanked. that's a clear signal to washington they better get it right. >> i think ben is right on the money. this is basically what is happening. there's an enormous amount of room for disappointment in this market. this market is expecting a deal. i don't know why all of the sudden today we get this triple-digit move as if something is happening. if we don't get a deal, how big of a sell-off can we see? >> well, we've seen the t.a.r.p. disappointment. we've seen the debt ceiling disappointment. i think if we go over the cliff, we're going to have a very big sell-off, then the politicians are going to go, hey, we're here to the rescue. >> what's fueling this optimism then? >> i think we have seen the idea that the market has voted to tell washington they need to get it right with the sell-offs we have seen. the anticipation is they want to get re-elected. they understand the republicans now have detectors. again, the
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 6:00am PST
away from the fiscal cliff. i know some people say 27, but i go to december 31. the cliff is at when the ball drops. president obama rejected speaker boehner's $2.2 trillion plan saying there's no deal without tax hikes for the wealthy. in an interview with bloomberg news warned about gamesmanship hurting the economy. >> i think america is poised to take off. and the question is, let's make sure we don't have a self-inflicted wound because there are silly games played up on capitol hill. >> let's bring in our wednesday gaggle. non-dcors. i'm curious what you think. nancy gibbs, deputy managing editor for "time" magazine and director editor of msnbc david wolfe. he's a new yorker now. eroll, let me start with you. watching what we're doing down in washington, does anybody outside of washington care? >> very much so. very much so. >> new york is paying attention because of all you wall street people. >> wall street and the defense cuts. there's a lot riding on it and a lot as far as people's preferences. the state votes for the president, the state votes for a president who said he was going to do certain things. you sort of wanted to see him at le
KOFY
Dec 4, 2012 9:00pm PST
=dj >> 3, 2, 1. [applause]. >> despite the looming fiscal cliff and bitter divide the holiday spirit showed newspaper washington this evening. speaker of the house boehner did the honor for lighting of 65 foot spruce from colorado. capitol christmas tree. >> las vegas has another first. you can get married at the elvis wedding khaem or drive through wedding and now also get married at denny. opportunist available at the new denny in the downtown area. company is letting people inside for the first time. executives say it represents the deny of the future. featuring a full bar in addition to the chapel. ceremony will begin in a couple of months. celebrity wedding said to be already on the books for february. >> well if it seems like guinness will confirm world record for just about anything you opinion correct about that. the group has just anointed musician for playing the col coldest gig on earth. >> welcome to my gig. >>reporter: public hard to make the finger move on the guys nar that cold. simpson lead singer from fight star. he played in small town in siberia it's the coldest permanently inhabited place on the planet. well concert took 15 minutes. mini
KRON
Dec 5, 2012 4:00am PST
fiscal cliff. talks in washington are going nowhere. some republicans are speaking out against the gop's plans to fix the problem presented this week by house speaker john boehner. dana bash has the details. >> rates are going up they have to go up. >> the fact that the house gop leaders propose raising $800 billion in taxes is ruffling feathers in their own party. >> republicans should not be conceding that the federal government needs more money negotiating with ourselves entry in the president's proposal like it is serious. >> gop senator jim demint said anti-government anti- tax paris. >> there are some that want to go the politically expedient route to give the president what he wants to get out of this mess. >> he is hardly the conservative upset with house republican leaders. the conservative action networks in this alert supporters sang card rep tell your representative tax hikes are not part of the solution. the e-mail included a not so subtle threat saying this infamous pledge cost george h. w. bush reelection. >> read my lips. >> aware of the potential blow back that could imperil his leadership john boehner careful to include in other proposal leaders. in
NBC
Dec 5, 2012 6:00pm EST
vance. tonight, president obama issued yet another warning to republicans, do not use the fiscal cliff to start a fight over the debt ceiling. the u.s. could reach its debt ceiling by the end of the month, and risk defaulting on its loans early next year. house speaker john boehner today said, quote, we don't have time for the president to continue shifting the goal posts. we need to solve this problem. danielle lee now joins us from capitol hill with more on this story tonight. danielle? >> reporter: jim, good evening. we're just now learning that president obama spoke to house speaker john boehner by phone this afternoon. but we're not hearing of any progress on avoiding the fiscal cliff or on raising the nation's debt ceiling which is currently at $16.4 trillion. there are new concerns about what could happen to the country's credit rating in the new year. each day toward the fiscal cliff is also another day closer to the country maxing out on its borrowing limit. president obama talked to business leaders today. >> the only thing that the debt ceiling is good for as a weapon is to destroy your credit rating. >> reporter: he's worried republicans may re newsto raise the country's debt ceiling to get their way on spending cuts and risk defaulting on the country's lo
FOX News
Dec 5, 2012 3:00am PST
cliff and we look at john boehner and you're right, he did give up revenue. he said okay. i'm going to cave on that. we'll raise revenue. but the president has been absolutely adamant, i'm not budging unless the top 2% pay a higher rate. not just revenue, a higher rate. >> the top 2% will pay higher taxes because of the revenue rates that we will raise without raising the tax rates. once you raise the tax rates, they become permanent. you can't change them. it will be almost impossible to change them and of course, that affects, like i say, almost a million small businesses and about 700,000 jobs. that's what the american people aren't getting from the debate on this subject. frankly, it is a bait and switch because the president has put out a plan that even democrats won't support that literally will not work, that literal israeli going to cause even more spending than we have right now, and put us even more than the 16 trail, $300 billion debt that we're incurring, going up every day. >> steve: senator, for generations, americans have always tried to make sure that our children, o
FOX News
Dec 4, 2012 9:00pm PST
john boehner to capitulate or he can say the hell with it, let's go off the fiscal cliff and blame the republicans. >> if he had had the top two percent pay in just a little bit more of their fair share, that would fund the government for only 8. 5 daition. it's not realistic. >> no. it's rubbish, all this. that so called buffett tax, if you implement that on warren buffett and all his pals, it will pay off obama's 2011 deficit in the year 2520 circumstance, in 514 years time, and then we'll need the next half millenium to pay off his 2012 deficit. >> i think the republicans were sent there with a mandate as well as president. obviously the american people voted for the status quo. they voted for divided government. here's the question i have. i would no want them to think os and grand hides and the slem hammer we're robbing them with. if obama wants to take the country off the fiscal cliff, they need to go there. they seem afraid of that. do you see that. >> it's clear from the election that the majority of americans essentially voted for european levels of spending. you can't hav
KRON
Dec 4, 2012 5:00pm PST
make that happen. what does president obama think of speaker boehner's proposal to avert the fiscal cliff? >> "unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance he talks, for example, about a 800 billion dollars billion worth of revenues, but he says he will do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesand he won't agree to eliminate a tax dedication >> "every hospital and university and not for profit agency across the themselves on the verge of realistic option." >> but the president didn't say all this to speaker boehner -- he said it in an interview on bloomberg tv. the last time the two men spoke was almost a week ago. president obama is focused on the stalemate with congress over averting the fiscal cliff but he's just not talking to house republicans about it. at the white house, he discussed the issue with a bipartisan group of governors. >> "i know that the president certainly wants a deal. he didn't try to handicap it." and earlier this week, he told so called middle class americans on twitter keep pressure on congress, he's even ventu
FOX News
Dec 4, 2012 4:00pm PST
take a major hit if, in fact, the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. his spokesman jay carney was even tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the bottom line is the president and speaker boehner have not spoken now in several days. so there is really no signs of progress. there has been some discussion that look that's just happening in public. behind closed doors maybe they are gaining some ground, i have spoken to some top white house officials tonight some top republicans on the hill they say in private they are not making progress either, shep. >> shepard: republicans say they have offered some compromises. >> they have in the sense that speaker boehner with his policy late yesterday put $100 billion in new tax revenue on the table. that was a concession by him but not far enough as you noted for the white house because the white house wants him to not just raise tax revenue by limiting intuctions and loopholes and the like
FOX News
Dec 5, 2012 6:00am PST
this. house speaker john boehner and the latest update on negotiations or lack thereof on the fiscal cliff. let's go to this right now. moments ago on the hill. hear is the speaker. >> morning, everyone. this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and, that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms, and it included additional revenue and frankly it was the balanced approach that the president's been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. our targets and framework are things that we can all agree on. and it's exactly how we approached our discussions in the biden group. my discussions at the white house a year and a half ago. and for that matter, in the joint select commit teach. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline i think he has an obligation to send one to the congress and a plan that can pass both chambers of commerce. if you looked at the plans the white house talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the congress. we're ready and eager
KRON
Dec 4, 2012 8:00pm PST
. >> with about four weeks to go before that fiscal cliff... of tax hikes and spending cuts gets triggered, negotiations still appear to be at a standstill, president obama told bloomberg news, the latest plan put forth by house speaker john boehner, simply does not add up. republicans have been equally dismissive of the last proposal from the president. tax rates on the wealthy remain the key sticking point between both sides. after a white house meeting tuesday, a bi- partisan group of governors expressed hope that an agreement will be reached soon. experts forecast economic turmoil in january, if a deal is not reached. >> john boehner took a break from the negotiations to help light of the christmas tree. eagle scout, from colorado springs helped out and there is. the crowd in cheers and the u.s. air force played " a christmas tree " and other holiday classics. this is a spruce tree from call rental white river national forest. it has 10,000 lights, ornaments and will be let in each night until the day after christmas. >> we are going to take a look at the golden gate bridge. dry roadways. the bulk of the wet weather is to the north. it is going to pick up in intensity, overnight. it will impact certain areas to more with moderate/hea
CSPAN
Dec 5, 2012 9:00am EST
only way that we're ever going to achieve the right result in this debate over the fiscal cliff. so we call on speaker boehner, before you go home to relax in ohio for christmas, let families across america relax knowing that they're not going to see their income tax rates go up on january 1. this is worth $2,200 to the average family in my home state of illinois, and i say to the speaker, it's worth that to families across the united states. for the good of this nation, for the good of the economy, for the good of these working families, for goodness sakes, pass this measure, this bipartisan measure that passed the senate last july. get this part done. we can debate the rest, but give peace of mind to meese working families and -- but give peace of mind to these working families and middle-income families that they're not going it see their income tax go up. madam president, i yield the floor. madam president, i ask unanimous consent to speak on a separate issue to be placed in a separate place in the record. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. durbin: madam president, it was a disappointing day yesterday
FOX News
Dec 5, 2012 3:00pm PST
going over the fiscal cliff and warped the business exectives the economy could take another hit if the republicans decide to extend the middle class tax cut to avoid the cliff for now. then come back with more leverage. to tie it to a hike in the debt ceiling. >> we are 23409 going play that game next year. if congress in any way suggests that they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, take us to brink of default again, i will not play that game. >> republicans held their own meeting with small business owners denying they're trying to punt. >> i'll be here and available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious abouting the problem. >> they noted the president has not scheduled any meetings with the g.o.p. leaders in weeks. not offered any counterproposal to boehner's plan from last week. >> a balanced approach the president has been asking for. now we need response from the white house. >> reporter: they continue to insist the impediment to the deal is boehner's tax revenue is not enough. the holdup is boehner took a position the day after the campaig
CNBC
Dec 5, 2012 12:00pm EST
sign. >> how does the fiscal cliff get resolved? how much patient does the market you have, do you think to deal with the daily sound bites out of the d.c. moving.markets and ? >> lawrencegmcdonald.com. comments are very interesting around boehner taking those actions around tea party members in the house. that's substantial. i think at the end of the day it will all come down to means testing. means testing on dividends, means testing on medicare, means testing on social security. that's the way they come to agreement. if you add up all the means testing moves on social security an medicare, that gets but $800 million right there. >> what's the cliff doing to gold? gold's been obviously an interesting trade over the last several sessions. it's been down $30 or so a couple different times. cliff related or something else going on? >> i think it's definitely more economically related. if you look over the last year, take morgan stanley five-year cds versus gold. every time we've had a rise in systemic risk, gold has fallen. over the last month or so, the financial cds, big banks of the united states, that's improved. so there's less global systemic risk, less lehman like risk. but gold has been acting poorly along with oil. so a lot of
CNN
Dec 5, 2012 8:00am PST
eyes are on the fiscal cliff. let's scoot over to the president. easy merging from that meeting with the washington business leaders. let's see what he has to say. >> jim, thanks for your leadership. you know, originally my team had prepared some remarks, they always get nervous when i'm out there on my own, never know what i might say. but given the dialogue that we had the last time, i thought it was useful for me to abbreviate my remarks, speak off the cuff at the top and then most of the time just having a conversation. let me begin by saying all of you in this room are not just business leaders, not just ceos of your companies but you're also economic leaders and thought leaders in this country and i recognize that all of you have an enormous investment not only in your own companies but in the well-being of america. there are a lot of patriots in this room and people who care deeply about not only your bottom lines but also the future of this country. you've shown that over the last four years. we've gone through as difficult of an economic period as we've seen in most of our l
CBS
Dec 5, 2012 5:00pm EST
the fiscal cliff and there is still no sign of break the stalemate. the house of representatives is in recess until next week, but speaker john boehner says he's staying behind ready to sit down for face to face negotiations with president obama. so far the key players are not talking and listen to this. congressional aides say they aren't even communicating by phone or e-mail. the president is rejecting the latest republican proposal because it does not raise taxes on households making more than $250,000 a year. the gop wants the bush era tax cuts extended for everybody and is instead offering to close tax loopholes and limit deductions. >> the revenues we're putting on
CSPAN
Dec 5, 2012 1:00am EST
] >> more meetings on the fiscal cliff and the economy, with senate majority leader harry reid and house speaker john boehner. >> on washington journal, the latest developments in the fiscal quick negotiations. after that, political looks at the estate tax, which is set to go up at the end of the year unless congress and the white house fact. live wednesday at 7:00 a.m. eastern, on c-span. >> wednesday, politico hosts a discussion with bob woodward, author of "the price of politics," and marco rubio. mike allen moderates the discussion. see that live at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span 3. house democrats filed a discharge petition to force a house vote to extend the bush era tax cuts for middle-class families. the bill has already passed in the senate. next, we hear from nancy pelosi. the course of the election the president made it very clear that he was courting the extension of the middle class tax cut and that everyone, 100% of the american people, would benefit from it. 100% of taxpayers, small businesses, wage earners, and the rest. the republicans are saying that rather than passing that they want to hold it hos
CNN
Dec 5, 2012 11:00am PST
town and you asked speaker boehner point blank, is he willing to stick around to work on the fiscal cliff problems? what was his response to you? >> reporter: well, he's staying here. he says he's not going anywhere. he's ready, willing and able to meet with the president, to talk to the president, to negotiate any time the president is going to respond. but the issue is still that, i mean, from where i'm standing, i can look at the house floor and i can see the dark doors closed. they're not here. they're not voting for the next two days and it is only wednesday. so the house of representatives is gone. and what i asked the speaker is whether the optics looks kind of bad since the fiscal cliff is just a couple of -- a couple of weeks away and they're not in town. he did not answer. he said he'll be here. other republican sources we talked to say it is what it is. it is the reality and the reality is they don't have anything to put on the floor to vote on right now. and they're in a waiting game for the president. and i think actually at the end of the day, having them go home, havi
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